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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This all started when Colin Kaepernick was asked about why he sat (and later knelt) during the National anthem. He stated (quote), "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."

That sounds pretty much like he's disrespecting the flag/anthem to me. I get he wants to protest. OK fine... go for it. Just pick a different time/place to do it. Better yet, if he wants to do something about oppression he should maybe take to task the Democrat leaders that have turned major cities into poor, welfare dependent urban black ghettos rife with gangs, murder and drugs.

And apparently I'm not the only one thinking the NFL is wrong in allowing this obvious contempt for the flag/anthem to spread. Game ticket sales are down. Football TV ratings are down almost 20% for this season (10% alone during Thanksgiving). NFL TV partners (CBS, ESPN, Fox & NBC) are starting to freak as they are on track to lose up to $500 million in lost revenue.

The NFL only has itself to blame. NFL leadership/owners should have nipped this in the bud at the start of the season (p.s. it's not a 1st Amendment issue).

I have to say, Thanksgiving dinner at Bruno's was excellent, the best I've ever had there. Mainly because the kitchen had nothing to do with it. It was all cruiser 'pot luck' dishes.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for bringing us up to date on whats going on. Though you for got the part that has been made clear many many times it's not contempt for the flag/anthem but rather the contempt for some people have towards BLACKS and how they are sometimes treated. Not hard to understand. Just look around?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

markfisher wrote:
Though you for got the part that has been made clear many many times it's not contempt for the flag/anthem but rather the contempt for some people have towards BLACKS


Then if it's injustice toward for blacks that is what the protest is really about it should be easy to change the time/place to avoid the huge controversy over the method.

Because I guarantee you what is being protested is being completely lost in how it's being protested.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dis respect to a flag is disrespect to the whole nation. Many people have died for that flag, and any flag for that matter. If a person feel that strongly about a situation they should take their cause in person at as many venue possible. But to disrespect the flag or anthem of any nation is not the way to go. The way I see it, is that he is doing the easy route. insult as many people as he can with the least effort. If he is that deep into his beliefs he should get out of his team uniform and take action on his own, not just doing stuff for 2 minutes and call it quit. To disrespect people that have died in order to give him the right to protest is an insult. By the way did he served at all, or just riding on the coats that those that have died ?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, He forgets that hundreds of thousands of people died in order to liberate his people, where that flag that he disrespect took holds. Perhaps he thinks the north should have never fought for the liberation of slaves ?????? Perhaps he would feel better with a confederate flag ?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:22 am    Post subject: THIS NOT FROM SOME CRAZY GUY Reply with quote

COULD THIS BE TRUE AND FACT???

MSNBC contributor Donny Deutsch has known President Donald Trump for years — and he knows something’s wrong.

Deutsch, a former ad executive who appeared on Trump’s reality show “The Apprentice,” joined his “Morning Joe” colleagues in openly questioning the president’s mental health.

“I’ve known him for 20 years,” Deutsch said. “I was one of the first people to come out and bring up the mental health issue, (and) I got a lot of flak.”

“I’ve spent hours and hours with him — everything from negotiating leases to at-school functions to hours and hours of interviewing him on my old show,” Deutsch continued. “He’s not the same guy, you can see it in his eyes and speech pattern, and in, most frighteningly, his behavior.”

Deutsch speculated that Trump’s mental health was deteriorating as a result of stress related to the ongoing Russia investigation.


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“I think there’s something else happening here,” he said. “I think he’s feeling the noose around his neck tightening with (special counsel Robert) Mueller. I think that’s driving a lot of this. If you think about his mental state now, layer into it a guy who’s getting further and further backed in a corner, that is only going to heighten.”

Deutsch said the president knows whether he colluded with Russian intelligence to steal the election, and he’s got a fairly clear idea of where the probe is headed.

“He knows what’s coming, we don’t know what’s coming,” Deutsch said. “Take a guy who is mentally unstable, put a gun closer — metaphorically — closer to his head, and I think that’s what you’re seeing this week. I think there’s a new level, and I think we’re going to see it heightened as these two stories are coming together. His mental health and the Russian inquiry are coming together, and it’s going to crescendo in more insane behavior.”[/b]
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: THIS NOT FROM SOME CRAZY GUY Reply with quote

markfisher wrote:
COULD THIS BE TRUE AND FACT???

MSNBC contributor Donny Deutsch has known President Donald Trump for years — and he knows something’s wrong.
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Is this the new liberal narrative now? Since everything you've thrown at the president so far hasn't materialized you are now going to run with 'mental health issues'?

You guys are a hoot
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell you what... instead of listening to some MSNBC contributors (unqualified) opinion, why not get out of your bubble and talk about some facts instead?

I ran across this website that tracks what President Trump has actually achieved worthy of note thus far in his 1st year. Note it's not their opinion. The site is simply an aggregator, a centralized source linking to other news sources. Not just pro-Trump/conservative sources (Breitbart, etc.) but sources all across the board (Reuters, CNN, NYT, etc.).

Now you may not agree with something he's done (e.g. rescinding DACA) but to try and paint him as 'incompetent' or 'in over his head' or 'mentally ill' is absurd.

http://www.magapill.com/
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HY THANKS FOR ENLIGHTING US!!

NOW MORE REAL FAKE NEWS FROM YOUR GANG AT FOX SURE TO ENLIGHTING YOU AND OTHERS.
I FOLLOW FOX often JUST LIKE TRUMP LOVE THAT FOX and FRIENDS


Fox News anchor Shepard Smith and the network’s legal expert Andrew Napolitano agreed on Friday that Michael Flynn’s guilty plea to charges that he lied to the FBI are an ominous sign for President Donald Trump and his administration.

“Michael Flynn admits now that a senior member of the Trump administration team told him to reach out to the Russians and he did so,” Smith said.

He asked Napolitano about his comments on Friday that we could be headed into a constitutional crisis.

“Robert Mueller has enough credible evidence to charge the president of the United States with a crime,” Napolitano said. “The constitutional crisis will come when he decides what to do. Does he indict the president — which has never happened to a sitting president — or does he merely transfer this evidence over to the House of Representatives which will then be under tremendous political pressure.”

Napolitano explained that Flynn is only a puzzle piece in the body of evidence that Mueller is bringing to bear against the Trump administration.


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Smith said that if what Flynn says is true, it brings up another impeachable offense for Trump in addition to obstruction of justice.

Trump has repeatedly insisted that the Russia investigation is a “witch hunt,” that he never had any contact nor did he instruct his subordinates to have any contact with Russians. If what Flynn says is true, however, it opens a whole new area of legal exposure for the president, Napolitano said.

“The crux of all of this — as we have discussed here repeatedly,” Smith said, “is why all the lies? Why, now we know, why the lies from Flynn, why the lies from Manafort, why the lies from Papadopoulos, why lie after lie after lie after lie? What is motivating you to lie? It appears that is at the heart of whatever this is.”
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could be wrong but from what I've read by people dissecting the Flynn plea deal (and the history behind it) I'm pretty sure this is not going to go down like you think/hope. I'd wait until the fat lady sings before celebrating.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VERY WISE ADVISE, LETS SEE HOW IT GOES? WILL YOU GO DOWN WITH THE SHIP ? NOT A GOOD IDEA. BE SURE YOU HAVE A LIFE RAFT.

YOU KNOW THE ORIGINAL FAT LADY SITS IN SAN FRANCISCO
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not my ship I'd be worried about going down. Let me summarize some thoughts of others:

Flynn was a 2 star general with 33 yrs of military service. He was the assistant director of National Intelligence. He was appointed by Obama as the 18th director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. He was also commander of the Joint Functional Component Command for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance, and chair of the Military Intelligence Board. In other words, Gen Flynn is not some dumb rube by any stretch. He knows how the intel community operates.

On Jan 24 at the WH, Gen Flynn 'lied' to the FBI about his phone calls/meetings with Russian Amb Kislyak that were 100% legal and already cleared by FBI. Why would you lie about something that was already confirmed legal? With his extensive intel background he HAD to know his phone calls to the ambassador were being recorded. Flynn WANTED them recorded. He did it deliberately.

Also, Flynn was under no legal obligation to be interviewed about his meetings with the Russian Ambassador by the FBI. He could have just lawyered up and/or told them to go away. So why did Flynn meet with Comey's FBI when he didn't need to? Again, Flynn WANTED to be interviewed by the FBI. He did it deliberately.

Flynn's deliberate actions suggest that he had a specific objective and plan in mind which would be consistent with a master spook. He knew exactly what he was doing & how it's going to eventually play out. Flynn's plea deal includes him being immune from any crime he may have committed under Obama. But not under Trump. Why would it be important to Flynn to be free to speak out against Obama but not Trump?

What do you think he was up to? Is this akin to a plot in some John LeCarre spy novel? I dunno. We're the dumb rubes that are oblivious to how deep spycraft works but it could be all is not how it might appear on the surface. If so it might not bode well for Obama & Co.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, ABC news reports:

"Chocolate milk with 1% fat will soon be back on public school lunch menus as Trump administration eases nutritional standards put in place under President Obama."

Now there's some MAGA maybe even Mark Fisher can get behind Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:31 am    Post subject: WELL NOW TRUMP LOST 3 BIG ONES AND MORE WILL B COMING Reply with quote

Doug Jones's victory in Alabama is an ominous sign for Republicans
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Alabama Democrat Doug Jones celebrates his victory over Judge Roy Moore at the Sheraton in Birmingham, Ala., on Tuesday, Dec. 12, 2017. (Photo: Bill Clark/CQ Roll Call, cover thumbnail photo: John Bazemore/AP)
MONTGOMERY, Ala. — Democrat Doug Jones shocked this state, and the country, by defeating Republican Roy Moore in Alabama’s Senate special election Tuesday, a victory that sounds a loud warning to the White House and the Republican Party.

President Trump had thrown his full support behind Moore, who was a controversial figure even before multiple allegations emerged that he had pursued inappropriate relationships with teenagers as an adult.

Jones’ victory is a shot in the arm for Democrats, who are hoping that anger at Trump and congressional Republicans will fuel a “wave” election in 2018, flipping the U.S. House of Representatives, and perhaps even the Senate, blue.

“Tonight is a night for rejoicing,” Jones told a jubilant crowd in Birmingham after defeating Moore 670,551 votes to 649,240, with 100 percent of the vote counted.

Jones, a former U.S. attorney who prosecuted Ku Klux Klan members for an infamous 1963 church bombing in Birmingham, will be the first Democrat to represent Alabama in the Senate in 20 years. He fills the seat left vacant by Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

Moore’s defeat means that Trump has now suffered three consecutive losses. He first backed Moore’s opponent, Luther Strange, in the Republican primary only to see him lose to Moore. Then, last month, voters in Virginia turned out in historic numbers to deliver a massive rebuke to Trump in the elections for governor and state legislature.

Nonetheless, Trump put forth his best face Tuesday night. “Congratulations to Doug Jones on a hard-fought victory,” the president tweeted. “The write-in votes played a very big factor, but a win is a win. The people of Alabama are great, and the Republicans will have another shot at this seat in a very short period of time. It never ends!”

Moore gave brief remarks to his supporters, but did not concede the race, saying a recount was still possible. But state law requires a half-point margin or less to trigger a recount, and Jones bested Moore by 1.5 points.

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Roy Moore leaves the stage after speaking Montgomery, Ala., Dec. 12, 2017. (Photo: Mike Stewart/AP)
After suffering decades of stinging losses, Alabama Democrats celebrated a historic night. House Minority Leader Anthony Daniels, who is just 35 years old, pledged that it would spark a resurgence for the party.

“This is just the beginning,” Daniels said in a phone interview. “This gives us the momentum we need.”

But it wasn’t just Democrats who were overjoyed by the result Tuesday night. Alabama is an overwhelmingly Republican state, and Jones received votes from many in the GOP who could not abide the thought of Moore winning. There were more than 22,000 write-in ballots cast, making up almost two percent of the electorate.

After Jones was declared the winner, a veteran Republican in the state, Hatton Smith, called my cellphone. Smith, who was an adviser to Luther Strange in the Republican primary, said, “We got a bunch of Republicans here that want to tell you something.”

He held up his phone and the sound of a group of people cheering loudly came over the phone.

“It’s good over evil,” Smith said. “The state of Alabama won.” He added: “Here’s to 2020 when we defeat Doug Jones.”

Moore, a former judge who was removed from office twice before running for the Senate, was hit by multiple allegations from women who said he sexually pursued them when he was in his 30s and they were teenagers. One woman said Moore touched her sexually when she was 14; another said he sexually assaulted her when she was just 16 years old and he was an assistant district attorney.

Moore vehemently denied the allegations, but several high-profile Republicans, including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, said they believed the women. Trump, however, never abandoned Moore, even recording a robocall for him in Alabama that decried Jones as a “puppet of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.” Trump won the state last year by 28 points, and his failure to push Moore over the finish line could spell trouble for the unpopular president’s political strategy going forward.

Jones’s victory also endangers Republicans’ tax reform legislation in Congress, which passed by a narrow majority in the Senate earlier this month. Both the Senate and the House will have to pass another combined version of the tax bill to send it to the president’s desk. With one fewer Republican in the chamber, McConnell can lose only one vote and still push through the bill, which has not attracted any Democratic support. Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., has already voted against the legislation once, and Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, has made several demands regarding health care that must be met before she’ll support it again. McConnell could rush the vote before Jones is seated in January, however.

Supporters celebrate at the election night party for Democratic Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Doug Jones
Supporters celebrate at the election night party for Democratic Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Doug Jones in Birmingham, Ala., Dec. 12, 2017. (Photo: Marvin Gentry/Reuters)
Sen. Cory Gardner, R-Colo., who chairs the Senate GOP’s campaign arm and pulled the group’s support for Moore after the allegations of sexual misconduct became public, began immediately Tuesday night to recruit Jones to join the Republican Party.

“The people of Alabama deemed Roy Moore unfit to serve in the U.S. Senate,” Gardner said in a statement in which he called on Moore to “do the right thing and truly represent Alabama by choosing to vote with the Senate Republican majority.”

The result was also a stinging setback for former White House strategist Steve Bannon, who left the administration in August and immediately made Moore his No. 1 cause. He used Breitbart News, which he runs, as a vehicle to prop up the Republican, and appeared poised to accrue significant influence if Moore was elected to the Senate.

Now Bannon will have to look for a new vehicle, and remains without any significant electoral wins as a power broker.

Steven Law, who runs the Senate Leadership Fund, a super-PAC affiliated with McConnell, the Senate majority leader, delivered a cutting criticism of Bannon’s work.

“This is a brutal reminder that candidate quality matters regardless of where you are running,” Law said in a statement. “Not only did Steve Bannon cost us a critical Senate seat in one of the most Republican states in the country, but he also dragged the president of the United States into his fiasco.”

Jones ran a vigorous campaign up to the end, targeting the state’s black population last weekend. He brought in Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J., and Rep. Cedric Richmond, D-La., to stump for him. Jones also ran ads featuring prominent Republicans, including Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., disavowing Moore, in a bid to peel off conservatives.

Meanwhile, Moore lay low, holding no campaign events until a rally Monday with Bannon. “If you don’t believe in my character, don’t vote for me,” Moore said then.

Moore was already a controversial figure in Alabama. While serving as the chief justice of the state Supreme Court, he twice was ordered to remove a monument to the Ten Commandments from the courthouse and both times refused. Moore’s record on race is marked by opposition to removing Jim Crow language from state statues, and he just recently said America was last great during a time when blacks were enslaved.

While many religious conservatives in the South might not be enthusiastic about gay marriage, Moore’s harsh language about gays has been another turnoff for moderate Alabamans. And his antagonism of African-Americans motivated higher than normal turnout by minority voters in what would usually be a sleepy off-year election less than two weeks out from Christmas. African-Americans made up a higher percentage of the electorate Tuesday, at 30 percent, than they did in 2008 and 2012, when former President Barack Obama was on the ballot. Blacks were 29 percent of the vote in 2008 and 28 percent in 2012.

For establishment Republicans who had distanced themselves from Moore’s candidacy, the election of a Democrat came as welcome news.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't get all cocky now. I guess with the Democrat party having lost 1030 state and federal seats under Obama and is weaker today than at any time since the 1930s any win is a time for rejoicing though.

Celebrate, but just a friendly reminder that Trump is still your President and Republicans still have the majority in the House & Senate.
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