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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:51 am    Post subject: Fitzgerald broadsided. Reply with quote

The USS Fitzgerald should be renamed USS White House. Why ? Because both their Commander in chief thinks the rules don't apply to them.

All joking aside, I am sure all our thoughts are going to the 7 missing sailors.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was shocked when I first read this news account of a US naval frigate colliding with a merchant marine vessel. As a long time cruiser it is just hard to imagine that there were not "eyes" on deck, anti collision hardware, radar and more from both vessels, especially a military frigate. I can see the merchant marine vessel short handed on the bridge, but the US Navy frigate? It's still difficult to fathom how it could have happened, was everyone 'out to lunch'? Murphy's Law in action.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure it can be said the frigate 'collided' with anything. From the pics it looks like the frigate was T-boned by the container ship.

But either way I agree it's very hard to imagine how it could have happened to a Navy frigate. Maybe one of Kim Jung Un's new stealth anti-ship freighters?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:14 pm    Post subject: Fitzgerald Reply with quote

USN Ship:.. Please divert your course 2 degrees to the south to avoid a collision.


Reply:.. Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the north to avoid a collision.


USN Ship:.. This is the Captain of a US Navy Ship. I say again, divert your course.


Reply:.. No! I say again, you divert YOUR course!


US Ship:.. THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER CVN-75, THE USS HARRY S. TRUMAN! WE ARE A LARGE WARSHIP OF THE US NAVY. DIVERT YOUR COURSE NOW!!


Reply:.. This is the Montauk Point Lighthouse. Your call........
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Fret: collision defined: an instance of one moving object or person striking violently against another.

The two ships collided, the frigate collided with the merchant marine and/or the merchant marine collided with frigate or if you prefer they collided with each other, however by definition there was a collision of the two vessels.

AND from GCaptian: UPDATE: US Navy Destroyer Collides With Container Ship

FYI: The International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea 1972 (Colregs) are published by the International Maritime Organization (IMO) and set out, among other things, the "rules of the road" or navigation rules to be followed by ships and other vessels at sea to prevent collisions between two or more vessels.

CROSSING SITUATION
(From Rules 15 and 17)
When two power-driven vessels are crossing so as to
involve the risk of collision, the vessel which has the other
on her own starboard side shall keep out of the way and
avoid crossing ahead of the other vessel. (if the collision was the result off a crossing situation)

I'm not informed as to who had any right of way, or if it was even a crossing situation. I am certain an investigation will reveal all answers, blame ect.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:28 pm    Post subject: 10 High Resolution Photos Of US Navy Destroyer Collision Reply with quote

http://gcaptain.com/high-resolution-photos-us-navy-destroyer-collision/

Damage to the Navy frigate appears to be on the starboard side of the vessel, damage to the Merchant mariner appears to be on port, hinting that the MM vessel had RoW and Navy frigate did NOT have RoW and would have to yield or alter course to the Merchant marine vessel.
Not trying to play Monday morning quarterback, just a comment, see for yourself. The inquiry will happen and the facts will be known.....in time.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd not seen any pics of the container ship, only of the frigate. One thing is for sure “Lucy! You got some 'splainin' to do!”
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing to consider regarding this incident.

The AIS track of the container ship shows he made a hard turn to starboard at the time of the collision. This would be consistent with the rule of always turn to starboard when trying to avoid a collision.

There is no AIS track for the destroyer because US Navy ships try to remain stealthy. This may better explain what happened. The destroyer was not transmitting AIS and everybody on commercial vessels relies on AIS as their "lookout". As a result the container ship didn't "see" the destroyer until it was too late. When he did he made his turn to starboard and that is why the damage to the container ship is on the port bow.

Since the destroyer was not transmitting AIS he had the responsibility to keep a better lookout. He obviously did not. He also had the responsibility to give way to vessels to his starboard. He obviously did not.

This should be a lesson for cruisers. AIS is the lookout on commercial ships. Any vessel greater than 300 tons is required to have it. Vessels less than 300 tons should have it so they can be more easily seen. Since commercial ships rely on AIS as their "lookout" cruisers without AIS should be very careful to watch for traffic because they will probably not be seen.
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